U43 Pale Master InQ?

[Sthax]

Hi all with the upcomming changes in pale maser i might reroll my main to something else.

I’m am tinkering to marriage Inquisitive with Pale Master.

The idea was to get Ing law dmg and weapons + EK spellsword + shadowdancer sneak dmg while keeping DC’s up for holds necro and other usefull spells.
the normal feats would go toward IPS and ranged stuf and the extra wiz feats to spell DC.

Here is a first mock up. I think it might be doable. First problem i encountered is that i dont have enough AP for EK adn harper tree. in this setup I choose EK which gives the spellsword and Int to hit. losing the Int to dmg and KTA. (which also might mean i could drop the whole ranged crit stuff)

This build is in SD, but a switch to Magister for better DC can be made. I’ll have to exchange arti for rogue to keep evasion (i get it now from SD).
Shiradi would be viable too but at a loss of extra Int which is the meat of all abilities in this build. if you go for spellpower procs a switch to tiefling might be good too.

Good thing is also that all reaper trees help in this build, so the higher reaper the more this build will shine.

according to the DDOBuilder necro dc would get to 96-ish outside of reaper. that is excluding the meta’s

Character name: u43 Pale InQ
Classes: 18 Wizard, 10 Epic, 2 Artificer
Race: Deep Gnome· · · · · ·Alignment: Chaotic Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final
Str:· · ·6· · 7 · ·22 · · ·HP:· · · ·1416 · · ·AC:· ·146
Dex:· · 12· · 7 · ·29 · · ·PRR: · · · 101
Con:· · 16· · 7 · ·61 · · ·MRR: · · 73/70 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · 30
Int:· · 20· · 7 · ·92 · · ·Dodge: · 17/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · 90
Wis:· · 14· · 7 · ·32 · · ·Fort:· · ·229% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · ·6· · 7 · ·25 · · ·SR:· · · · ·53 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 15
DR: 
Immunities: Freedom of Movement, Magic Missiles, Magical Controls and Compulsion, Fear

Saves:
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Fortitude:· · · · ·72
· vs Poison:· · · ·72
· vs Disease: · · ·72
Will: · · · · · · ·53
· vs Enchantment: ·59*
· vs Illusion:· · ·59*
· vs Fear:· · · · ·53*
· vs Curse: · · · ·53
Reflex: · · · · · 101
· vs Traps: · · · 107
· vs Spell: · · · 101
· vs Magic: · · · 101
Marked with a * is no fail on a 1 if required DC met

Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Wizard(1) · · · ·Standard: Insightful Reflexes
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Metamagic: Enlarge Spell
2 · · Artificer(1)· · ·
3 · · Artificer(2)· · ·Standard: Completionist
4 · · Wizard(2) · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
5 · · Wizard(3) · · · ·
6 · · Wizard(4) · · · ·Standard: Point Blank Shot
7 · · Wizard(5) · · · ·Metamagic: Heighten Spell
8 · · Wizard(6) · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
9 · · Wizard(7) · · · ·Standard: Precise Shot
10· · Wizard(8) · · · ·
11· · Wizard(9) · · · ·
12· · Wizard(10)· · · ·Standard: Past Life: Arcane Initiate
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Metamagic: Spell Focus: Necromancy
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
13· · Wizard(11)· · · ·
14· · Wizard(12)· · · ·
15· · Wizard(13)· · · ·Standard: Rapid Shot
16· · Wizard(14)· · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
17· · Wizard(15)· · · ·Metamagic: Quicken Spell
18· · Wizard(16)· · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
19· · Wizard(17)· · · ·
20· · Wizard(18)· · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Improved Precise Shot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Holy Strike
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Embolden Spell
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Doubleshot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Arcane Warrior
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Precision
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of the Shadowfell

Skills
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Skill Points· · ·28 10 10 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11 12 12 12 12 13
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 34.0
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 30.0
Concentration · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 45.0
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 34.0
Disable Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 62.0
Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 30.0
Heal· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 32.0
Hide· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 38.0
Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 27.0
Jump· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 60.0
Listen· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 29.0
Move Silently · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 28.0
Open Lock · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 27.0
Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 29.0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 63.0
Search· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 65.0
Spell Craft · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 64.0
Spot· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 32.0
Swim· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 24.0
Tumble· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 33.0
Use Magic Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 31.0
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Available Points 28 10 10 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11 12 12 12 12 13
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Enhancements: 80 APs, Racial 13, Universal 1
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Deep Gnome - Points spent: 13
 1 Core ·(1) Wariness I
 2 Core ·(2) Wisdom I: Intelligence
 3 Core ·(1) Wariness II
 4 Core ·(2) Wisdom II: Intelligence
 5 Tier1 (1) Weapon Training I
 6 Tier2 (1) Color Spray
 7 Tier2 (1) Weapon Training II
 8 Tier2 (1) Hardy Nature
 9 Tier3 (2) Weapon Training III
10 Tier3 (1) Stoneskin
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Inquisitive - Points spent: 41
 1 Core ·(1) Inquisitive
 2 Tier1 (2) Law on your side
 3 Tier1 (1) Conjure Bolts
 4 Tier1 (2) Dual Shooter
 5 Tier2 (2) Improved Law
 6 Tier2 (2) Observation
 7 Tier2 (2) Crossbow Adept I
 8 Tier3 (2) Crossbow Adept II
 9 Tier3 (2) First Things First: Ask Questions First
10 Tier3 (1) Improved Observation
11 Tier3 (2) Ability Score I: Intelligence
12 Core ·(1) Hit the Streets
13 Core ·(1) Mind Like Iron
14 Core ·(1) True Seeing
15 Tier4 (2) Ability Score II: Intelligence
16 Tier4 (1) What Later?: Shoot Later
17 Tier4 (2) Crossbow Adept III
18 Tier4 (2) Greater Law
19 Tier4 (2) Inquisition Style: Martial Inquisition
20 Tier5 (1) Inquisitor's Path: Optimistic
21 Tier5 (2) No Holds Barred
22 Tier5 (1) Arresting Assault
23 Tier5 (1) Improved Uncanny Dodge
24 Core ·(1) Undaunted
25 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery
26 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery
27 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery
28 Core ·(1) Master Inquisitive
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Pale Master (Development) - Points spent: 26
 1 Core ·(1) Dark Reaping
 2 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit
 3 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit
 4 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit
 5 Tier1 (2) Deathless Vigor
 6 Core ·(1) Pale Shroud: Shroud of the Lich
 7 Tier2 (1) Cloak of Night
 8 Tier1 (2) Deathless Vigor
 9 Tier3 (1) Negative Energy Adept
10 Tier3 (1) Negative Energy Adept
11 Tier3 (1) Negative Energy Adept
12 Tier3 (2) Ability I: +1 Intelligence
13 Core ·(1) Improved Shrouding I: Inflict Weariness
14 Tier1 (2) Deathless Vigor
15 Tier2 (2) Efficient Metamagic: Efficient Quicken
16 Tier4 (2) Unholy Avatar
17 Tier4 (2) Ability II: +1 Intelligence
18 Core ·(1) Improved Shrouding II: +2 Necromancy DC
19 Tier4 (1) Deathly Versatile: Pale Master: Shroud of the Wraith
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Harper Agent - Points spent: 12
 1 Core ·(1) Agent of Good I
 2 Tier1 (2) Strategic Combat I
 3 Tier1 (1) Traveller's Toughness
 4 Tier1 (1) Traveller's Toughness
 5 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
 6 Core ·(2) Harper Training I: +1 Intelligence
 7 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
 8 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
 9 Tier3 (2) Strategic Combat II
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Active Destiny Tree
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Shadowdancer - Points spent: 24
 1 Core ·(0) Shadow Training I
 2 Core ·(0) Shadow Training II
 3 Core ·(0) Shadow Training III
 4 Core ·(0) Shadow Training IV
 5 Core ·(0) Shadow Training V
 6 Core ·(0) Shadow Mastery
 7 Tier1 (2) Ability I: +1 Intelligence
 8 Tier1 (1) Acrobatic
 9 Tier1 (1) Acrobatic
10 Tier1 (1) Acrobatic
11 Tier2 (2) Ability II: +1 Intelligence
12 Tier2 (1) Lithe
13 Tier3 (2) Ability III: +1 Intelligence
14 Tier3 (1) Grim Precision
15 Tier3 (1) Grim Precision
16 Tier3 (1) Grim Precision
17 Tier2 (1) Lithe
18 Tier2 (1) Lithe
19 Tier3 (1) Meld Into Darkness
20 Tier3 (1) Meld Into Darkness
21 Tier3 (1) Shrouding Strike/Shot: Shrouding Strike
22 Tier4 (1) Improved Invisibility
23 Tier5 (1) Untouchable
24 Tier6 (2) Shadow Form
25 Tier4 (2) Ability IV: +1 Intelligence
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Twists of fate - 24 of 26 Fate points spent.
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Twist 1 - Tier 2: Magister: Spell School Specialist: Spell School Specialist: Necromancy
Twist 2 - Tier 3: Exalted Angel: Piercing Spellcraft
Twist 3 - Tier 1: Magister: Unearthly Reactions
Twist 4 - Tier 1: Primal Avatar: Rejuvenation Cocoon
Twist 5 - Tier 1: Legendary Dreadnought: Extra Action Boost

[Healliona]

Good morning.

=> Why didn’t you take Metamagic spell focus enchant if you want to use enchant spells?
If you haven’t you are not able to twist it.

=> If you want have a good CC at 30 at high reaper you need all gears is it compatible with DPS gears?

=> If you want self healing once again, you need appropriate gears to get a good negative heal amp.
With PM changes you also will be able to be healed by positive spells and HARM is no more directional which make an hudge improvement for PM.

I know that I’m not as experienced as you all are, but as far as I as I know it is really hard to have both high DPS and CC.

Sébastien.

[Ryan]

I’m thinking along the same lines as Seb with regards to effective DC’s and DPS.

Both are very feat and gear dependent and you could end up being just mediocre at both.

That being said, in my mind, as long as you’re having fun and contributing something no matter how big or small then that’s all that counts.

[Healliona]

“That being said, in my mind, as long as you’re having fun” This is the most important yes.

Sébastien.

[Sthax]

Thnx for the input and heads up.

Gear would be a problem but the synergy with Int on both dps and DC would make things workable. The spellsword enhancement would give dps on every hit in from spellpower instead of ranged power.
Also the use of any InQ build will result in proper dps, as InQ is broken.

So for gearing focus on Int would be first then i can add sharn dc caster set and slot in range dps stuff as secondary gear. also can use 2 weapon sets xbow with ranged filly and DC stick + null weapon for dc and healing.

I went with necro focus as enchant seems to be easier than necro IG. (most wizzys run necro and hold just fine)

Its just exploring the build so its fun, atleast it will be a fun life. also the PM wil give pretty insane defense and healing + extra’s dps on every hit.

So will just try, A wizzy with 100 int will add something in some way or another.

[Sthax]

hmm i did not even added the 1 fighter lvl for extra action boosts. might be a tough sell this build :p

[Sthax]

Small changes. added the fighter lvl for extra feat and action boosts.
Also did another AP split that adds ore dps to bolts at a loss of negative energy bypass in Pm tree and 2 necro points

Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Wizard(1) · · · ·Standard: Insightful Reflexes
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Metamagic: Enlarge Spell
2 · · Artificer(1)· · ·
3 · · Artificer(2)· · ·Standard: Completionist
4 · · Wizard(2) · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
5 · · Wizard(3) · · · ·
6 · · Wizard(4) · · · ·Standard: Point Blank Shot
7 · · Wizard(5) · · · ·Metamagic: Heighten Spell
8 · · Fighter(1)· · · ·Fighter Bonus: Rapid Shot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
9 · · Wizard(6) · · · ·Standard: Precise Shot
10· · Wizard(7) · · · ·
11· · Wizard(8) · · · ·
12· · Wizard(9) · · · ·Standard: Past Life: Arcane Initiate
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
13· · Wizard(10)· · · ·Metamagic: Spell Focus: Necromancy
14· · Wizard(11)· · · ·
15· · Wizard(12)· · · ·Standard: Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
16· · Wizard(13)· · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
17· · Wizard(14)· · · ·
18· · Wizard(15)· · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Metamagic: Quicken Spell
19· · Wizard(16)· · · ·
20· · Wizard(17)· · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Improved Precise Shot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Holy Strike
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Embolden Spell
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Doubleshot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Harbinger of Chaos
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Precision
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of the Shadowfell

Enhancements: 80 APs, Racial 13, Universal 1
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Deep Gnome - Points spent: 13
 1 Core ·(1) Wariness I
 2 Core ·(2) Wisdom I: Intelligence
 3 Core ·(1) Wariness II
 4 Core ·(2) Wisdom II: Intelligence
 5 Tier1 (1) Weapon Training I
 6 Tier2 (1) Color Spray
 7 Tier2 (1) Weapon Training II
 8 Tier2 (1) Hardy Nature
 9 Tier3 (2) Weapon Training III
10 Tier3 (1) Stoneskin
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Inquisitive - Points spent: 41
 1 Core ·(1) Inquisitive
 2 Tier1 (2) Law on your side
 3 Tier1 (1) Conjure Bolts
 4 Tier1 (2) Dual Shooter
 5 Tier2 (2) Improved Law
 6 Tier2 (2) Observation
 7 Tier2 (2) Crossbow Adept I
 8 Tier3 (2) Crossbow Adept II
 9 Tier3 (2) First Things First: Ask Questions First
10 Tier3 (1) Improved Observation
11 Tier3 (2) Ability Score I: Intelligence
12 Core ·(1) Hit the Streets
13 Core ·(1) Mind Like Iron
14 Core ·(1) True Seeing
15 Tier4 (2) Ability Score II: Intelligence
16 Tier4 (1) What Later?: Shoot Later
17 Tier4 (2) Crossbow Adept III
18 Tier4 (2) Greater Law
19 Tier4 (2) Inquisition Style: Martial Inquisition
20 Tier5 (1) Inquisitor's Path: Optimistic
21 Tier5 (2) No Holds Barred
22 Tier5 (1) Arresting Assault
23 Tier5 (1) Improved Uncanny Dodge
24 Core ·(1) Undaunted
25 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery
26 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery
27 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery
28 Core ·(1) Master Inquisitive
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Pale Master (Development) - Points spent: 15
 1 Core ·(1) Dark Reaping
 2 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit
 3 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit
 4 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit
 5 Tier1 (2) Deathless Vigor
 6 Tier1 (2) Deathless Vigor
 7 Tier1 (2) Deathless Vigor
 8 Tier2 (1) Cloak of Night
 9 Tier3 (1) Negative Energy Adept
10 Core ·(1) Pale Shroud: Shroud of the Vampire
11 Core ·(1) Improved Shrouding I: Inflict Weariness
12 Tier3 (1) Negative Energy Adept
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Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Points spent: 6
 1 Core ·(1) Eldritch Strike
 2 Tier1 (1) Toughness
 3 Tier1 (1) Toughness
 4 Tier1 (1) Toughness
 5 Tier1 (1) Improved Mage Armor
 6 Core ·(1) Spellsword
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Harper Agent - Points spent: 12
 1 Core ·(1) Agent of Good I
 2 Tier1 (2) Strategic Combat I
 3 Tier1 (1) Traveller's Toughness
 4 Tier1 (1) Traveller's Toughness
 5 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
 6 Core ·(2) Harper Training I: +1 Intelligence
 7 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
 8 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
 9 Tier3 (2) Strategic Combat II
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Kensei - Points spent: 7
 1 Core ·(1) Kensei Focus: Kensei Focus: Crossbows
 2 Tier1 (2) Extra Action Boost
 3 Tier1 (2) Extra Action Boost
 4 Tier1 (2) Extra Action Boost
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[Healliona]

Just something:
Necro or enchant success are really quest dependent:
As far as I remember on R5 + in some sharm quest I was able to command with only 102 DC (Will save based) but was unable to stun with Soundburst with about 120 DC (Fortitude save based).
I will be able to make some test in a few if you need more input on DC.

Sébastien.

[Sthax]

yeh, sharn q’s are really hard fort Dc’s

[Healliona]

More questions ,o).

I can see you take “Heighten ” what kind of spell do you want to use with such meta?
Not sure that a finger or hlod will be as competitive as inquisive DPS with IPS.

I can understand mass hold but mass is LV9.

A question: Endless fusiallade is really awesome for arti any 1 tried Inquisive arti with Endless fusiallade?

Sébastien.

[Sthax]

I hope to do both dps and cast. With the quick swap feat. Highten is for all spell that are needed in q’s. so hold necro etc

fusiladge and INQ T5 no holds barred is the same. they have the same CD, if you take both you get a bit more RP i believe. not worth the 20+ APs

[Sthax]

Did a first try on 17 wiz 2 arti 1 fight and i is rather fun!

At 30 i have currently 92 INT, 80 enchantment, 90 necro (as i did necro focus)
in the slavers r3 run i did the holds where pretty much no fail, except on those pesky kobalts your encounter. For necro 90 ish is proven to be low for endgame so not mush use there.

Dps is pretty darn good esspecially after you hold and stunn everything.
its stack up as 200 base, 100 sneak, 200 spellsword, 300 law, 200 leg feat and then some other small things from weapon.

i also hoose to get arcane warrior which work ncely every bolt gives spellpower and the max stacks are easy to maintain. i only need to find a spell to spam for the RP.

In this build i went for EK over pale master as U43 is not here yet with the PM updates.
THis mains i can get the medium armor enhancement and take the arti set with electric dmg and medium armor for a kool 150 prr and 100 mrr.

HP is a bit low at 1300. but with 44 reaper points it gets up to 1750 in reaper quests. but its a concern for later.

Well thats it for now. Gonna get my FVS past lives so my spells will land on kobies and drow.

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